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The 3W Podcast: Stephanie Orman
Stephanie Orman's journey from the world of advertising to the mayor's office in Bentonville is nothing short of inspiring. On this episode of The 3W Podcast, Stephanie shares her personal and professional experiences, giving us a heartfelt glimpse into her life. We discuss the growth and construction challenges in Northwest Arkansas and the unique connections formed through travel sports, particularly baseball. Our mutual Oklahoma roots and experiences as baseball moms have shaped our friendships and community bonds, making this conversation both relatable and enlightening.
Ever wonder what a day in the life of a mayor looks like? Stephanie opens up about managing the city's operations, likening it to running a full-time business, complete with the daily hustle of emails, public concerns, and surprise issues. We explore innovative community initiatives like the 3-1-1 system and the Yard of the Month awards, which help maintain a connected and engaged community. Plus, we celebrate significant projects like the Adult Wellness Center and Gateway Park, showcasing the relentless effort to keep Bentonville a welcoming and continuously improving city.
Looking ahead, Stephanie discusses Bentonville’s future goals, focusing on infrastructure and active commuter transportation, all while balancing professional responsibilities with family life. With projects like the e-bike rebate program and safety videos, Bentonville is committed to modern, inclusive transportation solutions. We also share touching family moments, from celebrating milestones to planning for college. Whether you’re interested in local governance, community engagement or the joys of family life, this episode captures the vibrant spirit that makes Bentonville a great place to live, work and play.
Hey everyone, casey Yokely here with the 3W Podcast home of the who, what when I've got my dear friend Stephanie Orman here with me. Stephanie welcome, thank you for having me. Thank you for doing this, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:If you all don't know, Stephanie is the mayor of Bentonville. So we're going to talk all things Stephanie, all things Orman family, all things Bentonville, all things re-election, even though I'm not politically based. But that's okay, We'll still touch on it. So thank you, Welcome. Thank you for having me. I know it's going to be so fun, so I do think it's funny. I'm just going to jump ahead into. I can't read any of this without my glasses, but we were just talking about how you got here. You got here by way of traffic cones.
Speaker 2:I did, I did. We do have a little construction in all of the cities because we're growing in Northwest Arkansas, so but it's. It's definitely going to be better on the other side here, so just give us a little bit of grace as we get through Right.
Speaker 1:You're like leave your traffic cones to come to Mayor Hines's traffic cones, and you're like everyone's got cones, we do.
Speaker 2:Just know that there's a plan and talk to us and give us a little bit of grace, because you want us to get the roads built.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I want roads in the sky at this point, because we are just growing so quickly.
Speaker 2:We're going to have some flying cars at the Up Summit in Bentonville, so you know those are coming. Okay, by way of.
Speaker 1:Jetsons Exactly.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:Yes, those are coming, okay, by way of Jetsons. Yeah, exactly, it's gonna be so fun, okay. So tell us. We're gonna dive into really who you are, but tell us who you are quickly, I guess.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't know really where to start, but, um, most of all, I'm a wife and I'm a mom, and that's actually how we know each other.
Speaker 1:How did we meet our kids?
Speaker 2:yes, so and I think that's how a lot of our friend groups have come about is from our kids being engaged in different activities. So we are both baseball moms, I know.
Speaker 1:We're baseball moms and it's September. We're literally filming this in September, but we're also going to launch it in September. But I haven't seen you since June I know Because that's when baseball ended for the boys and I'm like, oh, I haven't seen my friends since June and you're busy with all the election stuff and fancy mayoral pothole fixing things, and so I'm like, oh, I'm so excited to see my friend today. I know it's just on.
Speaker 2:Terry, I was like we got to get the parent group back together.
Speaker 1:We got to get our core group back together.
Speaker 2:You have a fun little uh texting group. We do, so, we do it has a name.
Speaker 1:It's called the branson frat house. It's not always the cleanest text chain, but it's a fun text chain to read. Actually, my husband is probably really good for you, so, but there was lots of um cheering for you a couple weeks ago in there and I was and speaking of that, I need of that. I need a sign. I need a sign for the yard, like, the biggest sign that you can get me is what I need.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I'm excited, so I love that Because I believe so. You have two kids. I have two kids and we're going to touch on them later. But I believe that travel sports I'll just say baseball, because I don't, even though crew plays travel soccer, yet I haven't found my travel family, but travel baseball has given me family up here.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I think it's always. People just find their connections and you find that group and you're with them all weekend long.
Speaker 1:All weekend long.
Speaker 2:You better like each other.
Speaker 1:Yes, and we've even stayed in the same houses together.
Speaker 2:So yes, it's been fun and being able to have fun with each other. I mean, I think that's part of it. Everybody wants to feel connected and have their you know group, and so we have a great baseball group.
Speaker 1:I know I love it and it's going to get even bigger get to meet new parents in that process.
Speaker 2:I know I'm excited.
Speaker 1:I don't know many of them so, but I like that. The um two full right mom formerly full right moms put together a text thread chain via texting and some app I don't remember which app so I'm like we're all on there together now yes, the moms, uh that do that and connect everybody.
Speaker 2:I have to give them kudos, because 100, I mean, that's so needed. You're always like how do I stay in touch? And so one of them, takes hold of it, puts the whole texting group together and we're all connected. Yes, thank you, moms. I know.
Speaker 1:Thank you, moms, I'm the chimer in her. I'm not the organizer up front, because I don't want to leave anyone it. But whoever wants to be it, I will cheer you on the whole way around. So, um, we're both from Oklahoma. We are originally. You're from a small town in Oklahoma too right. Okay, northeast Oklahoma. So yes, collinsville, yeah, and I'm from a small town, bartlesville, one high school town. Yeah, bartlesville is a little bit bigger than.
Speaker 2:Collinsville. Oh know, I really have no idea like 35 000.
Speaker 1:It was back in the day. I think it's shrunk since phillips exited, but it's. You know, I'm so proud to be from oklahoma. I bleed orange. Your husband bleeds red because he went to that school in norman, which is fine, but you bleed razorback. I know, and it's the day before a game, a huge game between our teams.
Speaker 2:I know, I know. So you know, that's okay. I'm sorry I don't talk trash.
Speaker 1:Only to Terry A friendly rivalry, right, absolutely One of my most favorite things is having my OSU golf umbrella and the new puppy oh, yes, he's not new anymore. Yes, huck, is that right? Was that his name? Yes, yes, was under the OSU umbrella. A couple years ago at a baseball game.
Speaker 2:My husband likes to tease you all a little bit about that I know it's good.
Speaker 1:You can tease him sometimes too, I know, but it's a friendly rivalry. It is, I absolutely love it.
Speaker 2:And I'm on the outskirts cheering for the Hogs. I know.
Speaker 1:But I think that's what Terry and Col Sharon we all cheer for the Hogs because we live in Razorback country, that's true. So now you all have that rivalry with the Sooners joining SEC. So have fun with that?
Speaker 2:Yes, I know. I said our marriage was fine until the Sooners had to come over into Hog country here. So I'm like Terry and I are going to have to work that out Now.
Speaker 1:You're literally a house divided at this point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, although, like I said, Terry cheers for the Hogs every time, except for maybe when they're playing the Sooners right.
Speaker 1:But I'm gonna, so it'll be interesting to see how, but now we're conference, like you're internal.
Speaker 2:I know Terry has to go to the basement to watch Sooner games anyways, so I'm like I'll be up, you'll stay upstairs, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love this. I love, love it. Okay, so you are the mayor of Bentonville. I am First lady Bentonville. For how long? Because? Speak to this because I know it changed. It's supposed to be X amount of years, but you told me a couple of years ago it changed.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I actually got six years with my first term and it has to do with Bentonville, hitting a population over 50,000. It threw us into a large city category and they like to have all the mayors on the same presidential election cycle.
Speaker 1:So I got two years.
Speaker 2:So it's a state statute. Okay, it's a state.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, so you got a bonus two years out of it, right? Yes, that's awesome, and part of that was during COVID, so even better.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, yes, I needed those two years because we had two years of managing through COVID.
Speaker 1:I know but that's like drinking from a fire hose. And now I feel like that I've got to assume COVID preparedness building the plane while you're flying. It essentially helped you prepare for the tornadoes back in May, somewhat from an emergency response point of view.
Speaker 2:You know definitely we have a great team at the city of Bentonville and some amazing department heads, and so when you've got strong department heads, I think any time of emergency response you know you have a plan but nothing always goes according to plan two because it's an emergency right.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like a little wavy parallel to the plan.
Speaker 2:We definitely learned a lot through the tornadoes and through the pandemic as well. But you know you have processes in place for each department and when those were executed well, hopefully you see, you know we were fortunate to not have any severe injuries the night of the tornadoes.
Speaker 1:That was amazing.
Speaker 2:And then immediately the cleanup started. You know, I think it came through Bentonville, or at least through. I'm on the east side of Bentonville about 1.41 in the morning and I was in my basement but I was on the phone with our fire chief who had set tornado sirens. And you know it just, we have a process and it kicks, kicks in, and everybody kind of takes their piece of the pie and then we immediately go into our emergency command center and then from there, which is attached to our dispatch center, and from there each department starts to execute roads, electric. You know, so it's a it's a pretty impressive process what time were you in your car that?
Speaker 2:morning. So if it came right after it came, I mean literally in the car by two um, a little after two, because we had to, we had to make sure that all clear sirens went off and everything I, um, I had, you know, evening attire on so I had to change.
Speaker 1:Oh right, you had to change out of PJs. Change yes.
Speaker 2:And so make sure that I could go into the community center and so but yeah, you were out within an hour, I think.
Speaker 1:I heard yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, and you know you get out, it's still dark.
Speaker 2:And you can't see Well no, because there are electrics down and everything and literally I live just off of Central or 72. I pull out there and there's just trees across that highway and you're thinking, okay, this is the real deal. At that point I think that was one kind of reality. I know it gives me goosebumps. I was in the basement, I could hear the hell. One kind of reality I know it gives me goosebumps, set in is like I mean I, you know when you're in the.
Speaker 2:I was in the basement, I could hear the hell and and all of that, but when you see those huge trees, across roads. You're like, you know, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was reality check the next morning Due to I mean, it's like you hear the sounds, but until you see it with your eyes, it's like wow, and you were seeing it in the dark with only headlights, so I think that's even scarier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a little bit. It was like I said, it was just it was interesting to pull out onto the road and see that across there because, like I said, and then I did make it down Central and J Street to our command center and then the calls were just, you know, pouring in at that point. So then the calls were just, you know, pouring in at that point.
Speaker 2:so then the reality of uh-oh, you know we've got hundreds of calls coming in yeah so, but they, but our teams, you know, like I said, if you could just watch them in action, they're, they're amazing, they're, they're trained well and they know.
Speaker 1:I love that we're in good hands. I love that. Okay, take out tornadoes and take out covid. What does a day of being the mayor look like? Or maybe a week, Cause I know every day is different. I mean, I follow the socials and you do lots of photos and I see you at events, but what does, like the the job part, like sure you know pushing paper what does that look like?
Speaker 2:So we're on mayoral strong, strong city. So it's not a part-time actually, terry. My husband would probably tell you it's 24 7 I would say the same for you.
Speaker 1:It's like owning your own business.
Speaker 2:You're literally married to it yes, but um, I love it. But you know our um a typical day might be. Usually I'm coming in trying to sift through um as many emails as we can to see what's in there and I always say there's probably going to be a surprise in there that we have to deal with for the day.
Speaker 2:But we try to be, as you know, responsive to the public as we possibly can. A lot of times it's about communicating and if there's an issue, we try to, you know, bring them in or reach out If there's something that we can immediately tackle.
Speaker 2:One of the things I started when I came into office was a 3-1-1 system and so people can send in 21 of our largest concerns in the city through that system and so and then I get a notification, or there's a notification that goes out to the department head and I get copied on all of them now so I know where the concerns are with people.
Speaker 2:So if there's a street light out, which is our most popular one, I'm sure it is so we try and it's like it's like you know, potholes and street lights I've got, I, I know where most of them are and how many of them have been switched out, and then we've been switching it. So when we switch them out, we switch them to led, okay, more energy. So I was, and I can explain, you know why there's this, still this color out in some of them. It's because the light hasn't went out yet. We're trying to be efficient with changing them out, using them. So, um, that. But, um, you know, and is it right? Now it's tall grass, so we're trying to get everybody to mow their lawns and you know, I will say, um, our bentonville residents do like their neighbors to have nice yards and so that's even have an award for it.
Speaker 1:We do. We have a.
Speaker 2:Yard of the Month Landscaping Award for both, for both residential and commercial. So we do like for people to take care of their properties. And it's a good love, you know, and it's you know we talk about, you know taking care of property, you know, and it's you know we talk about, you know, taking care of a propter. But it's really about neighbors connecting and want to live, want to be friendly and live next to their neighbors, and so that's a piece of the pie.
Speaker 1:It sounds to me my, my total takeaway from daily is that putting out fires sounds negative, but I don't mean it negative, but it's like it's constant solving. Not that they're problems, I mean, that's just yeah, it's just good, yeah concerns.
Speaker 2:I tell people you know we are typically, because when you think about the services that we offer the city, it's police, fire, roads, uh, water, sewer, electric. We do have parks and recreation and library, but typically when you're calling us your day, there's something maybe going a little bit wrong with your day.
Speaker 1:You're not just calling to say hi, do you want a donut?
Speaker 2:Some people do call us and say how great you know how nice. We've responded to different things and we love that. But you know, I say we're kind of that last contract when they're trying to get something solved or the day's not going great for them.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So we, we need to, we have to recognize that and be responsive to that, and so and listen to people and try to get them through whatever the situation is so it's a lot of it is a lot of problems Project managing as well. It is but it's also, you know, in the city of Bentonville we're fortunate that we get amazing projects. Yesterday we just did a groundbreaking for our adult wellness center and next week I saw that is that by the ledger.
Speaker 1:Is that right? Yes okay, and then you have a super fun one. Is it next week or the week after?
Speaker 2:next week we've got the a street gateway park and that's going to be amazing if you've seen some of the pictures out there, um, it's a big circle, like there's a big loop or something around it. I was like this looks cool, yeah, so it's gonna be um, we're getting ready to break ground over there and then it's actually about a two-year build out. So I said you can give us patience.
Speaker 1:That's fine, but it's in a park yeah, but it's like more cones for development and progress. And I we are literally in the thick of progress.
Speaker 2:We're not just promising progress, you're delivering progress yeah, and you know the projects are getting done, so I just tell people, you know, just hang with us. Give us a little bit of grace um, and we're gonna, we're gonna get it done. We're a very resilient community, um, and I think you know, going through the pandemic, tornadoes and still seeing the type of amenities and things that are happening in the city is something I'm really proud of.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean, people love to be not so positive. Right, that's just nature. But I feel like, because you all are constantly delivering progress that is constantly adding to the culture of Bentonville and that's just what makes it like Mayberry, but not, you know, just neighborly and community driven and culture driven and beautifully beautification processes always in place, like just it just makes you want to come home, thank you, that's what we hope. Yeah, I think y'all are doing a really great job. I'm proud, I'm proud of you. I'm always proud to say I know her. So tell me, I know her, so tell me. Have you had an aha moment in the last six years?
Speaker 2:An aha moment. You know, I think the biggest thing for me is Like that told you you were in the right place.
Speaker 1:You're doing what you're supposed to.
Speaker 2:You know, when people come to you and they say you know, here's my concern, but you were willing to sit down with me, you're willing to bring you know the part of my head's in and talk through this process, and so I would say that there's been a lot of those, because that's really what we try to do. We try to solve problems. But you know, one of my sort of golden rules is that if you contact me about a concern, I'm probably going to invite you in and have a conversation with me.
Speaker 2:Sometimes it's a concern that we could just immediately address. But you know, if it's something that involves more than just that immediate fix, it might involve all of your neighbors to come together. It might involve we're building the road and you're concerned about the design of the road and we need to get everybody together and try to move through the project and input some of those we're getting ready. We just finished our second input session with um. We have a j street um interchange connection okay company, and it's a big. It'll be a very large city road project. Probably the largest city road project in the state is this down by, like amazing in bentonville, yeah, so tiger area.
Speaker 2:So we'll tie out to the interstate there. So you've got um rdot and county and the city all involved with it. So, um, but just finish that.
Speaker 2:But we have done um just a ton of community input with those neighborhoods there to try to really work with them and make sure the design is something that they'll appreciate and be and be happy with. And so I think when you have members of of where you know, it's kind of a controversial topic initially starting, but they really recognize the effort you put in to try to get everybody on this you know, I'm sure the design's not, so they have a perfect word, but they definitely have had a say and we've changed the design around to try to accommodate some of that.
Speaker 2:It sounds like your door's always open. It is, and so I would say those are some of the moments that you're like, because I love the connecting part of it and. I love the problem-solving part of it, and so when we can do that, those are definitely the aha moments.
Speaker 1:It takes a special person to be able to balance both so yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you talk to my husband, he's like I could never do what you do right so you know, terry and I was like, but I'm like, but I actually enjoy listening to everybody's side trying to put the information together and and you do have to make decisions so and that's not always easy, right, sometimes you have to make tough decisions with. But but I think if people are most people, if you will sit with them and sort of give them all the information, I think a lot of times people don't have all the information you have when they're looking at a situation and when you can do that, I think they appreciate it and there's at least an understanding there.
Speaker 2:They may not still love every piece of it, right, but there's an understanding, or they understand what roadblocks we're trying to work through.
Speaker 1:I think you and my husband, colby, are wired very similarly, because you all will constantly like powwow on your own up in the bleachers with behind the scenes talks and I I'll hear words, but they mean nothing to me. And just hearing you say Terry's say um, I could never do what you do. I'm like, oh for sure, no, I would hate to work with Colby. Like no, and you do have to know what's going on behind the scenes so you can't, sometimes can't, give out everything up front and there are the roadblocks and I'm like, oh, this is exactly what he does on a daily basis. And so'm like this is why the two of you connect so well together on all of this, but you all get each other.
Speaker 2:We do, but we also probably also connect on being so thankful for our partners.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So Terry is like my cheerleader behind the scenes and he's amazing. So, you know he does. He doesn't always want to be out front and in the middle of it, but he is definitely behind. Always want to be out front and in the middle of it, but he is definitely behind. Actually, today, I will tell you, he's out putting signs up for me, is he? Yes, so he's, he's very, he's very supportive and I have to say an extra thank you, because that's he's a great one he calls you steph?
Speaker 1:he does doesn't call you stephanie, so now I call you steph and so, if I have, when I had a talk with your campaign manager, michael, I was, he was like Stephanie and I was like I call her Steph. She's Steph in our like baseball family, so it's always like here's Steph's chair and here's Steph's soda and I'm like Steph, so it's just Steph. So I'm like he takes very good care of you and I love how he takes care of you and I just think y'all are adorable. But, um, yeah, he needs to stop by Livingston Street in Bentonville and put a billboard in the yard, okay, so, yeah, well, well, I'll just text that Branson Frat House and make that happen, okay, so what made you so six years ago? Because you're up for re-election again or up for election again, I'm sorry. What made you run the first time? Did you just wake up one day and you're like this is fun, I'm going to do this?
Speaker 2:No, I was not a political science major. I wasn't really thinking politics was.
Speaker 1:What did you graduate with?
Speaker 2:I have an undergrad in journalism and a master's in communication.
Speaker 2:But, I've been in the advertising and marketing world for pretty much all of my career but I got involved, I just really got involved with the city. I went through leadership, benton County and a couple of other distant, different organizations. I was highly involved with women in networking and some others and through that and then I also got involved with my neighborhood poa and sort of that was sort of my connection directly to the city to just really understand, like all the services the city provides and how important it is to a neighborhood to understand the services and how did you have any idea?
Speaker 1:I really didn't before poa, I really didn't, okay, and I'm sure leadership benton county shed a giant light on it too.
Speaker 2:Yeah I mean I knew that the city was police and fire and water and sewer and like, but you know all the ins and outs how they help um residents on a daily basis. I just didn't have an appreciation like I certainly do now right everything they offer. Um, so got involved with that and it's funny because, like, the street lights are probably the, the how I initially, and then now they're my biggest concern. That comes in three, one one, so it's kind of full circle, right um because that's how I feel were you the one from the poa?
Speaker 1:yeah, so I found out like if if the.
Speaker 2:The city maintains the street lights unless the builder or the electrician has tied it into the house right. And so if it's tied into the house, the individual property owner doesn't.
Speaker 1:Anyways, that's a long story to say that's sort of how I got involved and tried to understand the city.
Speaker 2:And then I ran for city council and I'll tell you I lost my first race, Okay, but you know what? It was?
Speaker 1:a great that's probably a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 2:It was a great, probably a blessing. It was a. It was a great experience. Um, and then I just continued to attend city council meetings and I think people saw, you know, like she's serious about this, she didn't just run, and um, so then I ran for a second term and I did win that one and then I ran. I did two terms on city council. And how long is a term, so it was.
Speaker 1:Did it change as well?
Speaker 2:Yes, with the population bump, so it was two years, but now it's changed, so city council also has four-year terms.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, that's a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so and then. So, after my second term on city council, our previous mayor was not going to rerun, and so I decided to run.
Speaker 1:And it went into like a runoff.
Speaker 2:I think it did. It was very lengthy yeah.
Speaker 1:When was it finally official?
Speaker 2:So near the end of November. Oh, okay, because you had a runoff at the end of November.
Speaker 1:Was the election day that first tuesday. It was okay, so then runoffs.
Speaker 2:I think it was trying to remember. I was probably about two weeks or so afterwards, but by the end. So really just november was stressful oh yes, well, the whole thing was right.
Speaker 1:But then you're like oh, I just want to get through that tuesday. And then they're like surprise, keep going yeah campaign is.
Speaker 2:I love to campaign and talk to people, but it's stressful For sure. It is, and so I know the public probably gets campaign fatigue very easily too. So it's like and right now you know you're coming out of the tornadoes and everything, and so you know, when I'm talking to people I'm trying to make sure that they've been taken care of, like are you okay?
Speaker 1:Also I'm running, but really are you okay, I know.
Speaker 2:So you really just, you know, you just want to hug them Want to be considerate and make sure you know that.
Speaker 1:Not be tone deaf, I guess yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's like I don't really think people are wanting to talk about elections, Right, you know. And our job is to help them right. Right Move through the tornadoes and all of everything that's going on.
Speaker 1:So you know that's where we're at Okay, and now you've signed up to do it again, I have you had to officially declare, I think in July, is that right? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Mid-August, I think, is when the final started, yeah, so we had a couple weeks of candidates filing and then really kind of started campaigning.
Speaker 1:Is it more than just you? Are there just two? There's just two. Okay, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2:I just wanted to make sure It'll be done on election day so there won't be none of us, which is the 5th November, 5th, so hopefully you are back in the seat on November 6th, I hope so.
Speaker 1:So that's what we're all hoping for. Do you think you'll sleep between now and then?
Speaker 2:Not very much, to be honest with you, Because you're just constantly thinking and how can you help people?
Speaker 1:Do you have to have campaign events? Yes, Is this one going to look differently to you.
Speaker 2:Yes, you do have campaign events. I've always been a little bit of a grassroots um campaigner and so I'm gonna. I do a lot of, you know, in-home meetings and then I do the door knocking.
Speaker 1:I talk to people, so that's I think that's what's most important. So, okay, so you wake up November 6th, you've've won, I hope we're going to manifest it and you win and you're back in your seat conquering Bentonville. What is your mission and goal that day?
Speaker 2:Well, and this sounds a little bit cliche, but we always say we want to make Bentonville the best place in the US to live, work and play. And that's true to live, work and play, and that's true.
Speaker 2:and what I would say over the last five years, what's been really fun to see is, um, we're not and I do this a lot call other cities and see how they're executing a program or something, but other cities are calling us now saying hey, how did you do this right, so I do feel like, you know, we've put a model model into place and people were on the map as far as city planning and just the initiatives that we're able to bring here, and we're very fortunate in this area that we do have private partners and we have a great Walton Family Foundation that helps and are very dedicated to the city of Bentonville, and so we're able to accomplish a lot of things in the city. Um, we.
Speaker 1:I feel like you all are very creative and stretching your dollars with your partners.
Speaker 2:We do, and that's what we say we have. We have projects that we want to accomplish and, um, like our library expansion and parks, several parks projects. You know we had it. We actually went to the public for a bond extension and we said so. We were able to have funding supported by the public to go towards these, but when we went to the public to ask them what they wanted in the project, they wanted more things, and so then we had to figure out more funding Right.
Speaker 2:And that's what we typically do with all of our problem to have our projects and we're. We are fortunate in the city of Bentonville that a lot of times, if the public tells us that they want it and they know the city's behind it as well, we can go out to some private partners and tell that story and sometimes they'll respond to that. I like it when is Bentonville headed?
Speaker 1:I know you've taken trips abroad for bicycles and all kinds of things and there are goals to get Bentonville to certain things right Certain, whatever transportation things and so you're back in office on the 6th and where is Bentonville? Do we have a number one goal per se?
Speaker 2:So we have multiple goals. We'll tell you that. So we definitely want to be. We want to continue the quality of life and the amenities that we're able to offer. So I say we're. You know, our population is roughly 60,000, but the types of things that you're going to experience in Bentonville is like a very large city right.
Speaker 2:And so we want to continue that momentum. With that we have a real focus on active commuter transportation. So we say we want to move people, so that could be walking, biking, driving, and so you've got to put the infrastructure in place, and within that we want to put safe infrastructure in place so I always say we look at almost everything we do in the city through a safety lens okay as well, and so if we can put side paths in place where you've got separated bikes.
Speaker 2:That's one of the big 8th street. Our section of 8th street's getting ready to be finished. We have some private partners that it will go actually go through the campus and stuff. That was one of the big 8th Street. Our section of 8th Street is getting ready to be finished. We have some private partners that will actually go through the campus and stuff and they've been amazing and they've built their pieces as well. But there's a side path on that project and it was not originally designed that way.
Speaker 2:But the public was asked how and a lot of it came from right that are traveling with their kids or wanting maybe to bike to school and different things, and they were not as comfortable being on right I mean on the road right and so listening to that, so that we hope we have more people that want to use it. You got it. You have to put the infrastructure in for for them to feel safe on it and then I think the use comes with that. So we didn't want just our core biking community, although we love our biking community.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yes, Just more access we want it to be, yes, accessible for everybody, and so, really, some thought processes. We updated our Master Street plan, and when we did that, we also combined our bike and ped plan with that. And then we have an initiative called 30 by three, um to build um biking infrastructure, um uh active commuter infrastructure within that. So 30 miles of that in three years.
Speaker 2:And so we're in the process of getting that done. Um, and just continuing to um. Support that community Um, we actually just launched um with some partners. Support that community we actually just launched with some partners. We have some videos out there for active commuter safety and our police chief is starring in those. But giving you all the rules of the roads, yeah because nobody knows the rules.
Speaker 1:I mean everyone, bicycles. Nobody knows a hundred percent the rules of the road I so I'm not meaning to throw bicycles, I mean pedestrians and I mean motorists as well. No one, we all. The book I read and you read and driver said in oklahoma is not current today yes, and that's why I say we have both.
Speaker 2:Whether you're a car driver or a bike rider or a pedestrian, we all have to learn how to share the road together and look up for each other and understand what the rules are, and you know we have to. We have to learn how to share the road together and look up future and understand what the rules are, and you know we have to have to be able to be on the road together.
Speaker 2:Now again we're trying to to put some things in place with infrastructure where we actually can have some of that separated, but you still got to go across crosswalks and different things and we need everybody to. I think everyone's doing a better job. Yeah, I think everybody. Just, you know they're definitely more mindful now, um, but anyways, those videos just got launched because we just launched our e-bike rebate program I saw that last week.
Speaker 2:Congratulations, that's a huge incentive, yeah huge, so we're excited to see how that um rolls out with the public. Is it rolling out this week or next? It came. It was it started the day after labor day? Okay?
Speaker 1:okay, so I must have seen it on the news last week. Yeah, I'm like yes it went live tuesday yeah, yeah, that's exciting. Yeah, when will you get a follow-up on that to see the progress?
Speaker 2:so they there, you, um, you can sign up once the all the slots are filled. Then they'll're going to do two, three tranches. So there's a qualification process, so you put your application in. There is rebates based on income qualifiers, and then there's some that are not, and so we have a third party. It's not the city of Bentonville, they have no special picking on the back end. It's a third party. They run sort of an algorithm that would pull. It's kind of a lottery process that they do.
Speaker 1:That makes it fair. But the city of Bentonville does not choose, not it, it's not on us. So and they and they.
Speaker 2:It's a third party that does this rebate program that they've done across the US.
Speaker 1:So I love that. Ok, so how do you deal with criticism?
Speaker 2:You know, I think it's always it's hard, sometimes it can be hard, but I always say, because I feel like you probably take this personally, right, right?
Speaker 1:I know it's work, so you're supposed to like check work at the door. That old adage. But it's here too.
Speaker 2:It's hard, but I always say assume positive intent, and that's why I think I'm really I like that. Intentional about saying, okay, come in and talk to me, Let me talk to you, Let me tell you what we're seeing on this end. And you know, at the end of the day, you have to have humility too, Like we're not going to be perfect in everything that we do.
Speaker 1:I mean, I wish I had the magic. I would say, I wish I had the magic wand the street just automatically gets done.
Speaker 2:I don't find any utilities that.
Speaker 1:I didn't know were there. Oh, the hidden utilities.
Speaker 2:I've heard about those for years and all of that. So, but you know, I think you just you know, you just have to want to be able to listen to people and understand that you know they have this set of information and sometimes they don't have all the information that you have.
Speaker 1:So just be an understanding and, again, I think, assuming positive intent is probably a big Assuming positive intent and come on in and let's talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that yeah, because ultimately we all want what's best for Bentonville. Right. Sometimes we have different visions of how we get there, but I really do think there's a lot of common ground and a lot of issues.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're totally right, I love that. Okay, let's talk about home. You're totally right, I love that. Okay, let's talk about home. We've talked about Terry a lot, but you have two beautiful children Landry, who is your younger son, who's 14. He'll be 15 in October and I only know that because I'm an October baby, so I can remember that very well and he plays baseball with Chase, but he's also like the starting center for the BHS Tiger freshman team, which is awesome.
Speaker 2:Yes, so I love that he is. He's definitely all about ball.
Speaker 1:He is a mess. He is one of my most favorite humans on the planet because he is just you, here's you and just so kind, and Terry is so kind and Landry is so kind too, but he's just a goofball.
Speaker 2:I love him Like my heart, just I love him.
Speaker 1:I love watching him. There's so many days when I have to pick up Chase and Drew to head to their workout and I'll see Landry walk. He doesn't see me and Henry is just walking in his blue Crocs and I'm like I love that kid. He just makes me giggle.
Speaker 2:He's a he's a lot of fun. We do tell everyone that he's kind of our humorous family member, he totally is.
Speaker 1:He keeps laughing.
Speaker 2:He's just goofy too. I'm sure he'll love that. I said that about him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it, though, but he is, he's a lot of fun and I think that's important in a family dynamic. It is. He brings the fun factor, and then you have taylor, who is your? Oldest. She is driving for me now and she's a senior and that kind of like rips my heart out for you a little bit. Yes, how are we doing?
Speaker 2:with that. I think all moms struggle with it right and but you know, I think hopefully she's a good kid and, um, she's very independent. I will tell, tell you that so it's been interesting, but the boy and girl dynamic is um interesting. But she's been, uh, she's at BHS, she's been doing the Ignite program and so trying to still want to be a PA. You know what, so are we shifting.
Speaker 1:We're shifting a little bit.
Speaker 2:So this is where our college planning is. You know, mom and Taylor sitting down trying cause I'm kind of a planner and then you know mom and Taylor sitting down trying because I'm kind of a planner yes, she's a little bit trying to figure it out and so we got to sit down and let's come together. That's some of the assumed positive intent on everybody's side, right here.
Speaker 1:Let's get together and but love her.
Speaker 2:I mean, she's the best kid too.
Speaker 1:So I mean both, you know obviously, as parents we're probably a little biased, but but she is a good kid and she's had a job for over a year and she may have worked longer than that, but I know she works for Sarah at label and has for a while and I'm like that's, that's a good kid to want to go get a job and be responsible and I've got. I haven't talked to Sarah in a long time but I've got to assume Taylor walks in like that's her own store and has responsibility for that store.
Speaker 2:I have, I think so, so she's um. She enjoys working at label. It's a downtown Bentonville business so we support it often.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure the paycheck. I don't think Taylor leaves with any money.
Speaker 2:I love that she has taken on that responsibility and obviously I love to support Ed and Belle businesses.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. Yeah, so do we have any? Do we know where she's going to school?
Speaker 2:So she's been starting to vote applications and I really feel like she's going to want to go to Arkansas. We've had a little bit of the conversation of do you want to be hours away if the car breaks? Down and different things right so um, that's some of the conversation right now, but, um, you know, she'll, she'll put into Arkansas and OU and, um, maybe a couple of other places, and so we'll go from there. But she, um, I don't know right now I think Arkansas is at the top oh, look at you winning silently winning.
Speaker 1:I like that okay, you and Terry have um. Have you been married 25 years, or am I making more than that? Like okay, yeah, yeah, we're a long time. I know we got married.
Speaker 2:I was right out of uh, or he was right out of college and I was actually a spinning student my last semester in college, whenever we got married really, oh, I don't know, but we didn't have kids for a while.
Speaker 1:Right, I know I love that because we got married old and then had kids within three or four years, but you all have been married way longer than us, but we're like about the same age, so I was like oh you had more time together.
Speaker 1:I love that, yeah, so yeah, oh, such such good people. I love it. I love it. Okay, so it's not election season, we're not in a pandemic and we don't have tornado cleanup going on. Um, it's also not football or baseball, and I don don't know what Taylor does except be cute. Like I love Taylor. She is just cute and funny and she will play with little kids and I know she's smart because she was on a PA track for a moment. So I don't know if she does any sports, but what does a Friday night or a quiet weekend look like for the Orman family?
Speaker 2:I don't know that we really have. Does that even exist? I don't know that we really have quiet weekends. I like to be busy and out and about, you know, but Terry likes to stay in and watch football. But if I had a quiet time for me, I do like to run. Now I need to clarify that with like I like. I like to run like two to three miles, not necessary but you busted out, I have done the half.
Speaker 2:I try, I've tried to do the half you know uh pretty much every year since I got into uh uh office. But um, I do have to train for that and there is a great but there is a great training, training group for that. So I feel like it kicks off in january, like right after new year's or something yeah, that um is a great sort of connecting piece too for people that are interested in that um do you do that training group through is?
Speaker 1:it through rush, it's through um the bettenville parks, but um rush kind of heads it up okay yeah, it's, it's hardcore, but in the good, in a good way like I y'all are running a lot of miles.
Speaker 2:13 miles and they really do train you to where you can make it, you know, and and then if you're very ambitious, you can start to put your. You know you want to have a time and all those different things.
Speaker 1:They will help you do that, you know. At some point I do want to set a goal.
Speaker 2:I always feel like I just get so busy with um the job that the training is a little more challenging.
Speaker 1:You need to do more than just the just the fact that you do it and you rolled out to a baseball game afterwards I was really impressed.
Speaker 1:I was like where's Stephanie's, like she's running, and I was like, oh, okay, he's like no, like the half. And I was like, oh my gosh, he's gonna go conquer the hill, okay. And then you're like beep bop, I'm here and I'm like, oh my god, I would need to be in a wheelchair. Also, michael Myers would have had to been chasing me the whole time. So, uh, it's just not my jam. But I really want it to be my jam, but it's not my jam well before I was married.
Speaker 2:actually, terry is the one that got me into running and and I need to get him back into running.
Speaker 1:Okay, there you go. Sad that we don't have baseball every weekend? No, we won't. It's weird Because it's during the week now.
Speaker 2:Yes For the most part.
Speaker 1:What will we?
Speaker 2:do in the spring. I'm like, well, I'm going to get him out running with me again.
Speaker 1:Okay, oh, is he going to conquer the hill in april? He's gonna be so happy. Um, where is your favorite?
Speaker 2:place to run in bettenfield? Do you have a sacred, peaceful space? I do like to run. I usually start at the library and I run through downtown and then I run the crystal bridges trail. Okay, I can run down to about the end of the? Um. We're on the other side of crystal bridges and back to the library. It's roughly about three miles do you believe?
Speaker 1:yeah, usually I have I.
Speaker 2:Usually I've got a hat on and sunglasses and so um, I'm pretty low-key and incognito when I'm running, so I'm like I'm probably not straight lights tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm like may or may not have a lot of makeup, you know makeup on. So I'm like I'm trying to be low-key, but for sure I love to be out on the trails and just smile and say good morning or whatever to people too, because I think that's also, you know, what we hear a lot about Benville is people friendly. They are friendly, they'll smile at you and say hi and not look down in an elevator on a on a trail or whatever how's your day going right and?
Speaker 2:I think you know that's something. It sounds very simple, but if we ever lose that, I think we will lose a lot.
Speaker 1:I totally agree with our community, our city so, as we grow like, keeping that type of um atmosphere is really important because we are a transient community and we do have a ton of visitors um, professionally and um what do you for fun? Whatever the word for fun is that. I can't think of what's the word like visitation, but fun, I don't know. I cannot.
Speaker 2:It's Friday, I don't know what the word is for fun, tourists or visitors, I don't know, I don't know what the word professionally.
Speaker 1:You go somewhere professionally or for something, and I just can't think what the word is Tourists or visitors, I don't know. I don't know what the word is Professionally. You go somewhere professionally or for something, and I just can't think of the fun word for whatever it is. But their takeaway is always how friendly Northwest Arkansas is and how friendly Bentonville and beautiful Bentonville is. And so I agree with you we don't ever want to lose that. It's important. Yeah, it truly is. And so I agree with you. We don't ever want to lose that it's important. Yeah, it truly is. Okay, bentonville we're not going to name favorite restaurants because we're not going to single anyone out.
Speaker 1:That's right, um, but do we have a favorite food? So I do like pasta. Okay, we have a new pasta restaurant.
Speaker 2:Have you been? So I have not been. Okay, I haven't been either. I really want to go.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm like please find a Friday night.
Speaker 2:I really want to go try this new restaurant we have amazing restaurants in Bentonville, so that's why I didn't want to say a favorite one because, honestly, I would. They are all good, um, some of the chefs are like award-winning, you know, amazing chefs. So I, um, um, I would say you can't really go wrong with our restaurant and you can't but the favorite dessert, and they have. We have so many different types we do, yes.
Speaker 1:So lots of pasta, lots of tacos on the square which I.
Speaker 2:You can't go wrong with any of those absolutely okay, sweet or savory sweet Do you have a favorite? Dessert. So I am a big soft serve ice cream person and then it depends on the mood for the topping Okay.
Speaker 1:We have lots of those too. I like the creamery around the corner from Oven and Tap. Now I haven't been there in a while and not something I would ever, ever order, which it's weird that I even ordered it. Their strawberry ice cream was to die for the last time I had it and I'm like this is probably one of the most amazing things I've put in my mouth. Yeah, and then I like the little Walmart five and dine food truck or ice cream truck on the square, and trash is always a good time.
Speaker 2:So you can't go wrong with. Like I said, I could name them all, but you really can't go wrong with any of them.
Speaker 1:So, um, we're fortunate to have good food oh, I know we do, but that's why our population continues to grow and progress continues to develop, so that we can continue how to better culture and better food. Absolutely okay, so we know where you like to run. I still think that's amazing that you do the half. Okay, let's talk about some fluffy stuff, like not hardcore at all. Do you have a favorite time of day?
Speaker 2:So the morning time. I'm definitely probably a morning person. What time does your alarm go off?
Speaker 1:Four oh, wow.
Speaker 2:And my alarm is a dog. So, um, just so, which one? Uh, the little, the little one, okay, um, not huck, no, um, he's our older little dog and he will cute though he will let us know about four o'clock in the morning, but but I'm actually I like, and once I'm up, like I just have to get up and start going, so I'm not going back to sleep.
Speaker 1:What time do you leave the house?
Speaker 2:On average. Right now Landry has to be at football. Oh, so early, so like 6.30. So we're leaving the house early. But it actually works for me because I like to get into the office and have you like quiet time in the office.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 2:Like if I can get 30 minutes an hour before anybody else is in there, because there's just. You know, like I said, it's a new experience every day because of the calls you get.
Speaker 2:So if I can have a little bit of time just to kind of sit there and think about what the day is going to be, and a little bit of my own just sort of meditation time, little bit of my own just sort of meditation time and and, uh, you know, I I do a little bit of a devotional short devotional, in the mornings usually and try to get grounded a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yes, center, I totally agree. Um, what is? What's the one vice you wish you could give up, do you have?
Speaker 2:one, so I can give up almost anything, coffee I cannot and I justify that because it's coming from a bean.
Speaker 1:So it's got to be healthy in some way it's got to be healthy.
Speaker 2:So, but I do, and yeah, all my co-workers will probably tell you yes the one thing the mayor well, I just have a cure I give there and so that's and I do have coffee.
Speaker 1:We were talking about coffee before you got here and how much they drink or at least one of them drinks two pots a day and I was like, oh heavens, no, I'm like one pod and then I'm done for the day.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'm doing two pots a day Pots a day Pots. Two cups yeah, no pots. Pots and I just do it. I don't, I do it black, I don't put a bunch of sugar anything else? So then I'm like, surely that's healthy right totally, because I have to drink white coffee.
Speaker 1:So you're, you're winning on the black coffee. It's a goal I don't think it will ever happen. Um, do you have a hidden talent that we would all be surprised to know?
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's a hidden talent, but um, I my um. When I was growing up, I rode or showed horses, okay, and so terry likes to say that you know I'm a barrel racer, but I actually did everything from showmanship to english to jumping to um racing. So did you watch it in the?
Speaker 1:Olympics when Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg were commentating it. I did not watch the equestrian, but Taylor and she had went to her.
Speaker 2:She's a boyfriend and I think they had went and watched it and she was telling me that she was. But yeah, I don't really.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I don't watch a lot of TV there's no time for TV, and I love TV. I love tv, but there's no time for tv.
Speaker 2:Yeah but I was excited about the olympics and we did have um someone that at least trains here.
Speaker 1:I know that was kind of fun.
Speaker 2:We got a lot of free press yes for bettenfield during that time, so we're thankful for that.
Speaker 1:I thought that was so great and and she it's it was a she right yes, and she won quickly, like within the first couple days of the Olympics. It was like boom and I was like whoa, that was fast.
Speaker 2:And then they did sort of a presentation about Bentonville and the US cycling team training here and everything, and so everybody was sending me the video and. I'm like, yeah, you can't pay for that type of PR.
Speaker 1:I know that was so amazing video and they're like and I'm like yeah, I mean, you can't pay for that type of PR. I know that was so amazing.
Speaker 2:If we can get her here, we've got to give her a big party.
Speaker 1:I know Lots of hugs. We'll just have a party for her somewhere. That's fine. Yeah, wish she can come to the new park. I don't think you would ever karaoke, but but if you did, do you have a song?
Speaker 2:You know I forgot that that was going to maybe be a question. I really don't have a song. However, you know, I've always thought, you know, if God would have given me the talent, I would love to be able to actually get up and sing the national anthem.
Speaker 1:I can't do it, oh, okay. Well, you went real serious.
Speaker 2:But I cannot do it. So I will never embarrass myself like that. But I do admire everybody that can get up and sing the national anthem.
Speaker 1:So that would. That would be. Uh, okay, I like that, but yeah, if I ever tried to carry. Oh yeah, I'm probably probably, but it's, it's just out there. I mean, you went really big with a karaoke song. Yeah, uh-huh the national anthem okay um, I'll tell you, mine it's nowhere in that realm, it's ice, ice baby, okay, and our other friend, leslie our other friend leslie's song is shoop so um we're down here as far as karaoke songs and yours is up here, so with fireworks.
Speaker 1:So okay, we're not the same. That's what I just learned. Okay, that is so good. Okay, aside from your phone and wallet, what are two things in your handbag?
Speaker 2:um, so definitely some type of lipstick or chapstick, just because it's a necessity, and then I try to have a pen in my to write with. Okay, however, somehow.
Speaker 1:I never have a pen Like that's not even probably in my top five.
Speaker 2:That's my usually my two go-to things that I will have outside of wallet and keys. Yeah Phone, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Is your phone attached to you all the time?
Speaker 2:Pretty much so it is. But I'm also in meetings constantly, so people will text me or not. I'm like, so usually it's at the end of the night I'm going through emails and texts. I'm like I'm so sorry I missed this, but I don't. I don't life normally have it. People know my assistance number, like if it's an emergency emergency, to get hold of me. So if I'm in a meeting I try not to have it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like number, like if it's an emergency, emergency to get hold of me. So if I'm in a meeting.
Speaker 2:I try not to have it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like right there in the middle of it.
Speaker 2:But so I always tell people like if I haven't gotten back here, that's because I've been in meetings all day, but I'll check emails and respond, so a lot.
Speaker 1:Okay, last question at 13,. What did you want to be when you grew up?
Speaker 2:So I, I do remember wanting initially to be a lawyer. Oh, I love that, um, I do?
Speaker 1:I just would like to go into court and scream I object.
Speaker 1:I just would like to yell for no reason, I don't know, and just and be right, I don't know. But I don't know what it would mean. But I'm like I am so enthralled by these kids or people, adults, all of them, that go to law school and don't go to court. I'm like that's the whole reason is to be a woods and say I object, and my brother-in-law is an attorney and he's never stepped foot in a courtroom and I'm like, oh what, you're missing out, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I don't know when I got into college I don't know if it was because I was going to be there several more years or what, but um, I also I just really liked journalism as to as well, and telling the story, and so I kind of got that kind of took my passion. Um, I love history, though, and I love research and things of that nature, so I think that's where the lawyer piece of it came back.
Speaker 1:I think that fits for being the mayor, because you can't know where we're going if you don't know where we're from.
Speaker 2:I always say history repeats itself.
Speaker 1:Have you seen any repetition in your six years, in the six years and the six?
Speaker 2:years that you've like you're like, oh, that's familiar, like from research or whatever, into today you know, um, I think the topics, um, you know, like if you look at inflation and you go back in your research, you know eight percent interest rates and different things of that nature right now. But you can research history and see where it's been more and how that's kind of correlated and different topics, how they fall in line with that. So I think it's interesting to see. I like it, go back and research.
Speaker 1:So, is there anything you want? The city of Bentonville or North? Well, we're really Northwest Arkansas, but you're Bentonville based. Is there anyone you? Is there anything you want the city of Bentonville or North? Well, we're really Northwest Arkansas, but you're Bentonville based. Is there anyone you? Is there anything you want anyone to know? Like to leave with parting thoughts.
Speaker 2:I just want people to want to live and then really all of our city team members to trying to make sure that it is the best city in the US to live, work and play, and that the quality of life remains high and that we're responsive to that and that's really the ultimate goal, and that we're a safe city. I mean, that's really, really important to me too. So I always say I want to make sure that we're creating a city, um that I am currently raising my kids in, but that I would also want them to to um be able to raise their own family, and so I think it's a responsibility upon all of us to to leave it in a good, a good state and to make sure that that's um how we always look at things and through that lens I like that.
Speaker 1:That's the best place to end. You just summed it up perfectly, because I couldn't agree with you more Live work and play. I should have done some research. I'm like I did. I just totally missed that buzz line and I'm like I'm going to steal that and talk about that for you through November 6 when you get to return. Okay, I would appreciate it, because I know you're busy with streetlights. That is the funniest thing to me, but it's, you're not wrong. So I just think it's. I think it's adorable, truly. But thank you for joining me. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's been fun. It has been fun. So thank you for joining us. I really appreciate it. If you've stuck with me this long, I always tell you thank you so much. Keep listening to the 3W podcast, keep inspiring a culture of giving and we'll see you next time. Bye.